Täältä löytyy Reintammin kommentit Ruotsin poliisin kirjaamina 30.9.1994, on muuten kaikin puolin raju raportti. Poliisin mukaan siis laivasta on lennellyt irti jotain palasia ja niitä Reintammi nähnyt.OJ's Glove kirjoitti: La Loka 03, 2020 8:09 pm Katselin tuon viimeisen jakson aikani kuluksi uudestaan ja kiinnitin huomiota tuon Carl Erik Reintammin kommentteihin. Hän meni siis äänien jälkeen kannelle selvittääkseen mitä tapahtui ja väittää nähneensä vedessä jotain. En aikaisemmin kiinnittänyt siihen huomiota, että hän sanoo sen liikkuneen vasemmalle. Jos hän meni tyyrpuurin puolelle niin kuin saattaa olettaa, niin se jokinhan on liikkunut laivan kanssa samaan suuntaan kovempaa kuin laiva sillä hetkellä. Selviääkö mistään kertomuksista tarkemmin kummalla puolella hän oli?
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Conspiracy theories
The sinking of Estonia raised many questions and various theories from the first days after the shipwreck. A version of the collision with the submarine immediately began to spread, but the sinking of the passenger ship has been linked to, among other things, the transport of weapons on board Estonia, alleged explosions on board the ship, leaks in the hull or the desire to sink a secret cargo truck. [30] Questions and assumptions have been raised about governments' desire to cover the wreck with concrete or sand, as well as the ceasefire agreement between Estonia, Finland and Sweden, which prohibits diving around Estonia and requires states to make it a criminal offense. [31]
The then Prime Minister of Sweden, the newly appointed Ingvar Carlsson , promised after the shipwreck that the wreck would be lifted. Although he later regretted this promise, [32] the relatives of the victims clung to it. When the impossibility of lifting the wreck became clear, the Swedish government looked for a way out and found a way to design the grave under water. Drawings of the monument to which the wreck of Estonia was planned to be made appeared in major Swedish dailies.
While the lifting of the ship was not carried out because the costs involved would have been enormous, the conversion of the ship's place of death into a cemetery raised questions, as it is very difficult to enforce a ceasefire in international waters. As the relatives of the victims ordered dives to the ship and it was feared that people might start bringing things from there, it was proposed to cover the wreck with concrete, which would have made it significantly more difficult to get there. [33] However, this plan gave impetus to various theories and it has often been suggested that never before in maritime history was there a desire to concretize a shipwreck to ensure peace.
The investigation report is also questioned because Estonia had been at sea with a similar and bigger storm before. [34]
Before the International Commission of Inquiry completed its work, conspiracy theories emerged, some of which are still believed. There are probably some interest groups behind the conspiracy theories, for example, the shipbuilder may have been interested in spreading the bomb theory, or potential gun carriers may have wanted to draw attention elsewhere. Possibilities as to why the ship might have been submerged were also suggested. Among other things, secret organizations and the mafia of Russia and other countries, which may have wanted to prevent Estonia from reaching Sweden, were associated with the death of Estonia. [ reference? ]
For example, the German journalist Jutta Rabe has claimed that the Estonian and Swedish governments are hiding the real reason for the drowning, because the secret services of these countries used the ship to smuggle Russian military equipment. Members of the formal committee of inquiry refuted Rabe's allegations and referred to the results of a German federal laboratory which found no evidence of an explosion. Jutta Rabe's interest in the shipwreck subsided after the completion of her feature film " Baltic Storm ". The film uses underwater shots taken at the Estonia wreck. [35]
Conspiracy theories were also boosted by the missing, who were on the lists of the rescued in the first days after the shipwreck, such as Avo Piht , Estonia's second shift captain on board . It is not known who listed them, nor have their bodies been found. [ reference? ]
In 2004, a former Swedish customs officer revealed that military equipment was being secretly transported to Estonia. The Estonian and Swedish governments then set up an independent committee of inquiry, which confirmed that this had indeed been done on 14 and 20 September 1994, but not on the night of the shipwreck. [ reference? ]
Another major conspiracy theory is that some of the crew members who escaped the accident with life were abducted because they knew something that should not have been known or saw someone whose escape should not have been seen. Thus, the theory is still circulating that Avo Piht , the captain of the second shift , who went as a passenger to take a pilot's examination on the night of the shipwreck, escaped the disaster with his life. Jutta Rabe's feature film "Baltic Storm" is also based on this statement.
The military
It has been established that the Estonian ferry carried at least two pieces of military electronics [36], but there is no evidence that the transport of military equipment was related to the shipwreck. The former Swedish customs officer claimed that before the Estonia disaster, on September 14 and 20, 1994, two cars with secret military electronics came from Estonia to Sweden. It has been found that Sweden probably bought military equipment from Estonia, which was left behind by the Russian army. According to the customs officer, Ericsson Access, a subsidiary of the Ericsson group, which rented the military equipment , had a military background, some of whose employees had a military background. [37] Marek Strandberg, then a Ministry of Defense officialhas recalled that Russian technology was vigorously transported to the West in the early 1990s, but that in 1994 the case could only be a follow-up to active action. [38]
According to the newspaper Vesti Nedeli Den za Dnjom , the Estonian Security Police prepared a report on Estonia's cargo, according to which Estonia had eight cars for which the customs , Estline ticket system and border guard did not have registration data. One of them was a vehicle with six tons of cobalt , which, according to the newspaper, confirms the existence of a smuggling channel for military purposes (cobalt is also used in the military industry , among others).). According to this version, the cobalt load was not important for the sinking of the ship, but it points to the possibility that both cars carrying so-called delicate goods and those whose drivers may have witnessed were later removed from the official lists of customs, border guards and Estline. [39] A representative of the Security Police stated that, although their investigation revealed differences in the number of vehicles recorded by customs, border guards and Estline, they had no evidence of cobalt cargo. In addition, the investigation did not reveal any evidence that Estonia had prohibited or special permit goods or that the sinking of the ship was related to the nature of the cargo on board. [40]
Auk is looking for a ship
A hole in the hull of the ship has also been considered the cause of the disaster. According to Greg Bemise, who organized the dive for Estonia, the diver saw a pile of sand under the wreck, which may have formed from the hole there. [41] According to ship engineer Anders Björkman, the ship would have had to float longer on the water due to the watertight compartments, even if the visor had been removed. According to him, a ship can sink so quickly only if there is a hole in the hull below the waterline. [30] Björkman also thought that the visor was probably blown up after the ship sank. He also argued that the waves themselves do not put any strain on the hinges of the visor and are the only ones burdened by the difficulty of lifting the visor up and down. [42]
According to a documentary about the sinking of Estonia, published on 28 September 2020, a 4 m high and up to 1.2 m wide hole was discovered in the starboard side of the ship, which had previously been partially hidden on the seabed. Most of the experts consulted by the film crew found that it was not the result of an explosion, but a collision with an external force, a very large object. According to Jorgen Amdahl , a professor of marine technology at the Norwegian University of Science and Technology , it cannot be ruled out that the injury played an important role in the drowning. Kristjan Tabri , a researcher at Tallinn University of Technology and researcher of ship collisions for more than 15 years , who visited Norway at the invitation of the authors of the film, found that the hole was from the waterline.and if 6,000 tonnes of water had flowed in, it is hard to believe that passengers in the area could have escaped. Tabri took the first assumption that the hole was formed when the ship sank to the seabed, because considering the weight of the ship, it is enough to create such a hole on an uneven seabed. [43] However, this hole was not noticed in the past because the ship has changed angle over time and used to be opposite the seabed. [43]
The discovery of the rupture in the hull of the ship again raised speculation about Estonia's collision with the submarine. [43] However, it has been argued that the submarine itself would have also suffered serious damage in this case and that it would have been very difficult to conceal the repair or disappearance of the submarine. [44]
It is also known that the ship ran into it after falling off the visor. [4]
Opening the visor at sea
According to this theory, the visor and ramp of Estonia were opened at sea to drive to the sea and sink a truck with a load that was to be avoided in Sweden. It is alleged that some passengers had heard the sound of a visor hydraulics just before the death. [ reference? ]
Missing persons who were originally on the list of the rescued
The confusion of the first days after the shipwreck with the passenger lists gave impetus to conspiracy theories. In 1994, lists of ship passengers were not yet kept in the same way as they are today, especially when registering groups. As a result, the lists of those on board were updated several times a day for almost a whole week. There were duplicates in the lists, the same name could be written in several different ways, and group lists could have names added manually. However, there were also people on the passenger list who had bought a ticket but for some reason did not go on a trip
and were not registered at the terminal check-in . [45]
Eight people were originally on the rescue list, but later disappeared. After the disaster, the lists of survivors included Captain Avo Piht , who was on the ship as a passenger on the night of death, the fourth mate Kaimar Kikas, the ship's doctor Viktor Bogdanov, the chief engineer Lembit Leiger, the fourth mechanic Agur Targma, the store manager Tiina Müür and the sisters Hannika and Hannely. [46] Thus, all the missing crew members were not passengers. Their disappearance has been linked to the desire to reduce witnesses, as they may have known the real cause of the shipwreck or the carriage of weapons or other secret circumstances on board. No body has been found in these individuals. The rescued ship said their names themselves and was listed accordingly. [47] [48]Therefore, it is not known how they could get on the lists without escaping. [47]
Avo Piht
Captain Avo Pihti was seen in the first two news programs of the German TV channel ZDF. [48]
Captain Avo Pihti, who was on board as a passenger, was seen by several passengers handing on life jackets. Refrigeration engineer Andres Verro saw Pihti in the stern of the ship at the last lifeboat. Waitress Sirje Johanson also saw the captain on deck handing out commands and helping passengers. Ship safety assistance Ervin Roden was ordered by Captain Pihti on deck to help the crew girls who were trying to launch the liferaft from the eighth deck. [49] However, according to the victims of the shipwreck, none of them have seen Avo Pihti in the water, on a raft, in a helicopter or on shore. [45]
Dancers
The dance troupe Pantera performed on board with eight young dancers, including twin sisters Hanka-Hannika and Hannely Veide. [50] Like Avo Piht, the traces of Veidede disappeared two days after their escape was reported. [51] Originally on the list of survivors were "Anne Veide" and "? Veide". [52] [53]Anne was Hannely's home name, and her parents thought the girl could say it in a state of shock. By the evening of the same day, Hanka-Hannika and Hannely Veide were already on the lists. The ship's security chief told Spiegel TV in Germany that, according to witnesses, the girls were seen on deck before the ship sank, from where they jumped into the liferaft, where the chief engineer Lembit Leiger was already there, and Captain Piht, who had been sharing life jackets. The parents of the Stockholm clinic told the parents of the twin nurses that the girls had been brought to their hospital. On September 29, the Swedish police and the Estonian Ministry of the Interior announced that the girls were alive, and on October 1, the Swedish Red Cross confirmed this. On October 4, the same was heard from Huddinge Hospital, and on October 6, the Swedish Red Cross confirmed his rescue. After that, however, the fate of the girls is no longer known.The parents of the Sisters' Facts have claimed that in September 1996, a telephone rang in their home and it was said, "It's me, Hannely!" According to the mother, it was her daughter's voice. According to Aino Veide, the mother of the nurses, the phone rang several times on the nights after the disaster, but no one spoke.[51]
Lembit Leiger
Swedish police informed Lembit Leiger's family that he had been rescued and left a Swedish hospital where he stayed for 24 hours. On September 28, Leela Männik, an Estonian woman living in Sweden, was told by the Swedish police that Leiger had escaped and was in a poor condition in a Swedish hospital with fractures and frostbite. On 30 September, a Swedish police officer reassured Leiger's family by telephone that they would have no choice but to wait for him to contact the householders himself. Later, Tallinn Seamen's Hospital informed her husband that Lembit Leiger is on her way home and will arrive at Tallinn Airport in the evening, but the plane did not arrive with Lembit Leiger. [54]
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