Norjan terrori-iskut 22.7.2011 (ketju 2)
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-psykiatrit myöntävät, että breivikin näkemykset euroopan ja norjan tilasta eivät ole vain hänen omiaan vaan edustavat yleisesti tiettyjen piirien näkemyksiä.Without going into the subject’s political judgments, the experts note that his perception of the state of Europe and the state of Norway is extreme. Many of his interpretations and claims are without foundation. However, it seems most of this material is rather an application of existing political currents than a creation of his own, since a lot of it is cut and pasted from various web sites and historical sources. This is to say that his quotes and conclusions are shared by a number of people in Norway and elsewhere in Europe.
-'sota' käsite on kyllä myös osa näiden kulttuurikonservatiivien jargonia... ei ole breivikin keksimäThe experts can ascertain, both in the compendium and through contacts with him in our conversations and in the course of questioning, that he actually both emotionally and in reality has the perception of war, destruction and his own task of salvation.
-yllä oleva jothtopäätös on ehkä ainut merkki jonka minä olen löytänyt breivikin mielenvikaisuudesta... Se ei kuitenkaan tee häntä syyntakeettomaksi. Semmoisen huomion voisin kuitenkin tähän vielä heittää, että breivikhän ei usko, että hänen toimintansa suoraan pelastaa norjan. hän uskoo, että hänen tekonsa saa norjalaiset tiedostamaan islamin vaaran ja tulemaan järkiinsä.The subject describes himself as in a situation with only two outcomes; destruction of his own culture and existence or the salvation by his martyrdom
-raportti varmistaa, että hän sai tähän vaivaan antibiootteja... pidän mahdollisena, että hän halusi antibiootteja sen varalle, että on iskupäivänä sairas.The following note dated 13/4/11 has been found:
Phone call:
Long conversation, he believes he has been infected by his mother’s sinus infection even though he has used a face mask before. First he had a soar throat, then nasal congestion and cough, this started a few days ago, he is somewhat better, but feels some pressure in the sinuses when he sneezes. He agrees to wait and see how it goes for a couple of days, use the nasal spray. Many questions and miscellaneous info. He thinks it is strange that he has a cold since he is living so healthily!
Trying to explain that this does not sound like sinusitis in need of treatment, at least try first without, and use nasal spray
On 15.04 antibiotics was prescribed. Physician XXXXXXXX stated in an additional note dated 24/8/11 that He did not wish to be examined at the clinic.
-äiti kertoo tavanneensa useita breivikin tyttöystäviä kun breivik oli 15-22 vuotias, mutta että breivikillä ei hänen tietääkseen ole ollut tyttöystävää sitten vuoden 2001"In recent years, Anders has become so strangely moralistic, has had a lot of ideas that there should be no sex outside of marriage and stuff. He was never like that before, she adds."
-loppua kohden breivik luennoi äitilleen politiikastaOther things had also changed, she says. From 2010 he became completely weird. He said I could not sneeze and would not come into the living room to me. He was strict, strange and tended to complain about the food.
The interviewee continues: He was not able to keep a suitable distance from me anymore — either he would not come out or else he sat right next to me on my couch, oncing kisseing me on my cheek. It was so intense. I wondered if he could move out soon. I started to get annoyed over his behavior and he was constantly annoyed and angry. There were huge reactions to trifles.
-breivik itse kirjoittaa manifestissaan näin:The interviewee says that during the last year the subject lived at home, he was increasingly eager to avoid infection. He would not talk to me, the interviewee says. And he accused me of talking to too many people who could infect us. He would not come into the kitchen and he ate his meals in his room. He handed me the plates through the door. And I remember that he held his hands over his face, for a period he also used a face mask indoors.
-äiti sanoo epäilleensä pojan olevan sairas aina vuodesta 2006 lähtien, mutta varsinkin keväällä 2010On April 9th, I was inflicted with a virus by my mother and I came down with something that later appeared to be a very resilient throat infection. FFS, this is what happens when you live with people hanging out with hypochondriacs...! It was the third time she had infected me the last two years and I was very pissed off and frustrated. The manufacturing phase was SO close, in only 20 days and now I'm potentially neutralized for the next three weeks... I decided to ride the illness out as I thought it would pass within the week, but it proved to be very resilient. My energy levels dropped by more than 50% and I eventually ended up with an antibiotics treatment.
It was now April 25th and I was finally back to normal. I had spent the past couple of weeks playing through Dragon Age II and a couple of other newly released games. Awesome! The good news was also that I would practically immune to any bacteria's and viruses for the next 3 months, in the most critical of all phases, as my immunity system had been boosted and rejuvenated significantly by the virus. My training regime had suffered and I had lost a couple of kilograms of muscle mass but most if not all other practical things were now in place for the manufacturing phase.
-randi rosenqvistilta breivikin kanssa jutustelu ilman ongelmia. erikoista, että tämä ei ole onnistunut oikeuden määräämiltä psykiatreilta.The experts decided that for many reasons we found it both necessary, advisable and inevitable that the conversations took place with both experts present. This was not an assessment based on the resource situation only (although it took a significant amount of resources to organize the meetings regarding staffing and rooms, etc.) but because we after two meetings realized that we neither intellectually nor emotionally would be able to carry out one-on-one talks. It was a very demanding situation to be in conversation with him and it was necessary for us to switch the focus between actor and observer to be able to carry it out with quality over time. It was also very difficult to stay focused and of vital importance that we could structure this together. It was thus an active professional assessment that the results of the assessment this way would be better as we could talk and observe and complement each other.
-eli virheellinen tieto, että breivik olisi opiskellut 15000 tuntia psykologiaa on varmaankin tullut sitten tästä raportista. rosenqvistihän sanoi breivikin sanoneen opiskelleensa yleisesti asioita 15000 tuntia, ei vain psykologiaa.The subject says that he has read a lot of psychology. He explains: I am accredited 15-16000 hours of study, the equivalent of 9 years of studies.
-haha, yhdellä lauseella kertovat ja perustelevat breivikin omaavan hullun piirteen ... kertoisivat nyt edes jotain esimerkkejä tai jotain!The subject believes he knows the thoughts of people he is talking to. The phenomenon is considered to be psychotically based, despite the fact that the subject explains he has learned the technique through thousands of hours of sale.
-toinen yhden kappaleen toteamus ilman mitään sen kummempia perusteluita. näinkö psykiatria toimii?The subject believes he is in a position to set conditions for the experts’ discussions with him. He portrays himself as unique and a focal point for everything that happens, as he believes that all the psychiatrists in the world envy the experts their assignment. He compares his situation with the treason settlement after the war. The phenomena are considered to be an expression of grandiose ideas.
-olisi hienoa kuulla enemmän noista yllä mainituista disordereista...The experts have initially had difficulty in following the subject. In the part of the conversation in which he presents himself, he exhibits his political message and his mission with a slight association disorder and formal thought disorder in the form of perseveration. As the conversation changes topic to biographical information gathering, this is less pronounced but still present, as the subject at a number of occasions drifts from the subject and must be brought back with a question. There is no latency or thought block during the conversation.
Onko tämän nyt siis tarkoitus kertoa jostain mielisairaudesta, sellaisen puutteesta, vaiko muuten vaan huomio? Tarkoitetaanko tavallisen ihmisen puhetyyliä vai tavallista "nopeampaa"?Panu kirjoitti:There is no latency or thought block during the conversation.
Pelkkä havainto, tarkoittaa kutakuinkin tavallisen ihmisen puhetyyliä, tässä tapauksessa sitä, että B:llä ei ole ollut vaikeuksia muodostaa sanomaansa.NapalmLolita kirjoitti:Onko tämän nyt siis tarkoitus kertoa jostain mielisairaudesta, sellaisen puutteesta, vaiko muuten vaan huomio? Tarkoitetaanko tavallisen ihmisen puhetyyliä vai tavallista "nopeampaa"?Panu kirjoitti:There is no latency or thought block during the conversation.