Ei ole löytynyt, mutta etsinnät jatkuvat. Puhelintiedoista on selvinnyt Ronin olleen liikkeellä tuolla seudulla, missä hän kertoi ruumiin hävittäneensä. Ilman ruumistakin on Israelissa mahdollista ilmeisesti tuomita toisen tappamisesta, mutta sitä varten tuon tunnustamisen täytyisi olla uskottava oikeuden edessä, mitä se ei välttämättä tällä hetkellä ole.
Tämä lyhyesti suomeksi tästä artikkelista:
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite? ... 0353265209
"Police have not given up on their search for four-year-old Rose Pizem, but authorities are preparing to charge her grandfather Ronnie Ron for her death even if no body is ever recovered..."
Rose Ron 4v
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debbie
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1015473.html
Lapsiparka, kärsinyt koko ikänsä. Rakkaudella ja kärsivällisyydellä hänestä olisi voitu kyllä kasvattaa vielä tervekin. Tytöllä oli mm tapana lyödä päätään seinään, eikä hän osannut käydä vessassa.
Lapsiparka, kärsinyt koko ikänsä. Rakkaudella ja kärsivällisyydellä hänestä olisi voitu kyllä kasvattaa vielä tervekin. Tytöllä oli mm tapana lyödä päätään seinään, eikä hän osannut käydä vessassa.
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debbie
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1015400.html
Tässä vielä linkki, jossa mm tieto, että Rosen äiti oli halunnut päästä lapsestaan eroon.
Ainoa, joka lasta rakasti, oli isoisoäiti, omat vanhemmat löivät lasta, sanoo isoisoäidin veli.
Ruumista ei ole vielä löydetty.
Tässä vielä linkki, jossa mm tieto, että Rosen äiti oli halunnut päästä lapsestaan eroon.
Ainoa, joka lasta rakasti, oli isoisoäiti, omat vanhemmat löivät lasta, sanoo isoisoäidin veli.
Ruumista ei ole vielä löydetty.
Nyt on ruumis löytynyt eli tämänkin voi siirtää ulkomaiden henkirikosten puolelle, sillä tuskin itsekseen on matkalaukkuun mennyt. Ruumis löytyi tuosta joesta, jonne Roni Ron alunperin sen kertoi heittäneensä. Sen verran pahassa kunnossa, että henkilöllisyys täytyy vielä varmistaa labrassa.
Body of missing girl found in suitcase
JERUSALEM (CNN) -- Israeli police divers on Thursday found a suitcase containing human remains that are believed to be the body of a missing 4-year-old girl, an Israeli police spokesman said.
The suitcase was pulled out of the Yarkon River in Tel Aviv, where police have been searching for Rose Pizem, Mickey Rosenfeld told CNN
Two weeks ago, the girl's grandfather Roni Ron, 45, told police he stuffed her body in a suitcase and dumped it in the Yarkon River.
The remains will be tested to confirm the identification of the body and the tests could be completed within 24 hours, Rosenfeld said.
"The body was found in a very bad, severe condition, as you can imagine after being in the water for weeks," Rosenfeld said, explaining why the tests could not be completed sooner.
Ron initially told police he accidentally killed Rose when he slapped her in a fit of rage, then changed his account.
Police transcripts quote Ron as saying: "I parked the car on the sidewalk. I opened the trunk, pulled out the suitcase and when I reached the banks of the river, I threw it. She's finished. I finished her. I saw the water seeping in, and the suitcase slowly sinking."
The family drama centers on Rose's mother, Marie-Charlotte Renault-Pizam, 23, and Ron -- her estranged husband's father -- with whom authorities say she has had two more daughters. Rose's father lives in France.
Both the mother and grandfather are in custody.
Renault-Pizam has denied any role in her daughter's disappearance. She told police she thought Ron sent Rose to an institution in France, although police, without elaborating, have said they have a telephone conversation that shows she knew the child's fate.
Rose's great-grandmother, Vivienne Yaakov, reported the girl missing in late July, saying she had not seen her great-grandchild for about two months. Rose and her mother had been staying with Yaakov, who told police that Ron had taken the child and she never returned.
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Police searched Ron's apartment in mid-August and arrested him. The investigation has uncovered a twisted family love triangle that may have contributed to the girl's murder.
The British media calls the case Israel's Madeleine McCann, a reference to the 3-year-old child who disappeared May 3, 2007, while on vacation with her British family at the Portuguese resort of Praia da Luz. She has never been found.
Rose was born in France in 2003. Her mother moved to Israel after a custody battle with Rose's father, Benjamin Pizem. Renault-Pizam had fallen in love with Ron on a previous trip to Israel with her father-in-law.
Israel's minister of interior security, Avi Dichter, said everything would be done to find Rose and give her a proper burial.
"There is no doubt that as a society, Israel was not there for the child when she was in need of help," Dichter said.
Benjamin Pizem told Israel's Haaretz newspaper he still hopes that Rose is alive. He described his father, from whom he is estranged, as manipulative, and said more details may yet be uncovered.
"When I see him in videos, I see in his face, even if it's quite a neutral one, he has an expression that says, 'You don't know everything and I'm manipulating all of you.' That's the reason why we think there's hope Rose is still alive."
Tervemenoa vankilaan ja R.I.P
http://edition.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/meast ... index.html
Body of missing girl found in suitcase
JERUSALEM (CNN) -- Israeli police divers on Thursday found a suitcase containing human remains that are believed to be the body of a missing 4-year-old girl, an Israeli police spokesman said.
The suitcase was pulled out of the Yarkon River in Tel Aviv, where police have been searching for Rose Pizem, Mickey Rosenfeld told CNN
Two weeks ago, the girl's grandfather Roni Ron, 45, told police he stuffed her body in a suitcase and dumped it in the Yarkon River.
The remains will be tested to confirm the identification of the body and the tests could be completed within 24 hours, Rosenfeld said.
"The body was found in a very bad, severe condition, as you can imagine after being in the water for weeks," Rosenfeld said, explaining why the tests could not be completed sooner.
Ron initially told police he accidentally killed Rose when he slapped her in a fit of rage, then changed his account.
Police transcripts quote Ron as saying: "I parked the car on the sidewalk. I opened the trunk, pulled out the suitcase and when I reached the banks of the river, I threw it. She's finished. I finished her. I saw the water seeping in, and the suitcase slowly sinking."
The family drama centers on Rose's mother, Marie-Charlotte Renault-Pizam, 23, and Ron -- her estranged husband's father -- with whom authorities say she has had two more daughters. Rose's father lives in France.
Both the mother and grandfather are in custody.
Renault-Pizam has denied any role in her daughter's disappearance. She told police she thought Ron sent Rose to an institution in France, although police, without elaborating, have said they have a telephone conversation that shows she knew the child's fate.
Rose's great-grandmother, Vivienne Yaakov, reported the girl missing in late July, saying she had not seen her great-grandchild for about two months. Rose and her mother had been staying with Yaakov, who told police that Ron had taken the child and she never returned.
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Police searched Ron's apartment in mid-August and arrested him. The investigation has uncovered a twisted family love triangle that may have contributed to the girl's murder.
The British media calls the case Israel's Madeleine McCann, a reference to the 3-year-old child who disappeared May 3, 2007, while on vacation with her British family at the Portuguese resort of Praia da Luz. She has never been found.
Rose was born in France in 2003. Her mother moved to Israel after a custody battle with Rose's father, Benjamin Pizem. Renault-Pizam had fallen in love with Ron on a previous trip to Israel with her father-in-law.
Israel's minister of interior security, Avi Dichter, said everything would be done to find Rose and give her a proper burial.
"There is no doubt that as a society, Israel was not there for the child when she was in need of help," Dichter said.
Benjamin Pizem told Israel's Haaretz newspaper he still hopes that Rose is alive. He described his father, from whom he is estranged, as manipulative, and said more details may yet be uncovered.
"When I see him in videos, I see in his face, even if it's quite a neutral one, he has an expression that says, 'You don't know everything and I'm manipulating all of you.' That's the reason why we think there's hope Rose is still alive."
Tervemenoa vankilaan ja R.I.P
http://edition.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/meast ... index.html
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debbie
Kiitos Kataja, kun toit Rosen meidän tietoisuuteemme. Suomessa tapausta ei taidettu uutisissa noteerata ollenkaan.
Kuuntelin eilen Michael W. Smithin laulua (you tubessa), se on hengellinen laulu mutta mieleeni jäi soimaan sanat, jotka sopivat tähän tyttöönkin:
You lived to die
rejected and alone
like a rose
trampled on the ground..
Kuuntelin eilen Michael W. Smithin laulua (you tubessa), se on hengellinen laulu mutta mieleeni jäi soimaan sanat, jotka sopivat tähän tyttöönkin:
You lived to die
rejected and alone
like a rose
trampled on the ground..
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debbie
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvEsTjMgDJw
Laitan vielä you tube-taltioinnin Rosesta.
Siinä oli ainakin minulle uutta kuvamateriaalia.
Laitan vielä you tube-taltioinnin Rosesta.
Siinä oli ainakin minulle uutta kuvamateriaalia.
Re: Rose Ron 4v
Kuolleen tytön oikea nimi oli Rose Pizem.Tytön ruumis löytyi Yorkon joesta syyskuussa 2008.
Äiti ja isoisä päätyivät elinkaudeksi vankilaan. Isoisä oli tappanut tytön,tunkenut ruumiin matkalaukkuun ja heittänyt jokeen.
Rosen äidin väitetään käskeneen isoisän hankkiutumaan eroon Rosesta.Hänen väitetään sanoneen "En halua nähdä enää tyttöä - Hankkiudu eroon hänestä"
Rose ja Rosen ruumiin sisältävä laukku nostetaan joesta.
http://www.haaretz.com/news/national/mo ... r-1.367448
http://www.haaretz.com/news/missing-gir ... r-1.252664
http://archive.mid-day.com/news/2008/se ... -bones.htm
Äiti ja isoisä päätyivät elinkaudeksi vankilaan. Isoisä oli tappanut tytön,tunkenut ruumiin matkalaukkuun ja heittänyt jokeen.
Rosen äidin väitetään käskeneen isoisän hankkiutumaan eroon Rosesta.Hänen väitetään sanoneen "En halua nähdä enää tyttöä - Hankkiudu eroon hänestä"
Rose ja Rosen ruumiin sisältävä laukku nostetaan joesta.
http://www.haaretz.com/news/national/mo ... r-1.367448
http://www.haaretz.com/news/missing-gir ... r-1.252664
http://archive.mid-day.com/news/2008/se ... -bones.htm
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