Englannin kielessä on minusta aika normaalia, että äidit kutsuvat lapsiaan nimenomaan hellittelynimellä baby, vaikka kyseessä olisi hieman "vanhempikin" lapsi.. Nimitys baby on aika yleinen, etenkin, kun on puhe perheen kuopuksesta.katjuska.84 kirjoitti: Olen itseasiassa kiinnittänyt huomiota siihen, että usein jos perhe on katoamisen takana, niin käytetään puhelussa sanaa baby, oli ikä sitten mitä tahansa.
Aliayah Lunsford 3v., katosi 2011 U.S.A
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Beatrix Kiddo
- Armas Tammelin
- Viestit: 83
- Liittynyt: To Elo 11, 2011 11:05 am
Re: Aliayah Lunsford
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katjuska.84
- Sabrina Duncan
- Viestit: 373
- Liittynyt: Pe Touko 21, 2010 8:38 am
- Paikkakunta: Etelä-Suomi
Re: Aliayah Lunsford
Eikös perheessä ollut tätäkin nuorempi lapsi, eli kyseessä ei kuopus ollut? Vai muistanko nyt aivan väärin?
Ja kyllä, kuten sanoin, niin käytetäänhän sitä myös hellittelynimenä (ja paljon)
Mutta niissä tapauksissa joissa perhe on ollut tapauksen takana, baby.imitystä käytetään herättämään vatapuolessa sympatiaa..ettei vaikuteta kylmältä ja liian selväjärkiseltä tilanteen huomioon ottaen jos alettaisiin selvittämään heti että minkä ikäinen, sukupuoli, etc lapsi on kateissa.
Ja kyllä, kuten sanoin, niin käytetäänhän sitä myös hellittelynimenä (ja paljon)
Mutta niissä tapauksissa joissa perhe on ollut tapauksen takana, baby.imitystä käytetään herättämään vatapuolessa sympatiaa..ettei vaikuteta kylmältä ja liian selväjärkiseltä tilanteen huomioon ottaen jos alettaisiin selvittämään heti että minkä ikäinen, sukupuoli, etc lapsi on kateissa.Entäpä jos elämä onkin vain unta matkalla kuolemaan?
Re: Aliayah Lunsford
Lena Lunsfordsin 119 puhelu.
http://www.wowktv.com/videoplayer.cfm?i ... 285a4ac398
Kuullostaa tosi sekavalta, mutta ei kuitenkaan siltä, että olisi shokissa. Miksi käyttäa hätäpuhelussa sitä Babya? Ei ne siellä toisessa päässä tiedä kumpa sukupuoli on kyseessä.
Eikä vieläkään yhtään epäiltyä, tai ainakaan FBI ei anna niitä vielä jakoon.
http://www.wdtv.com/index.php/home/loca ... -girl-case
http://www.wowktv.com/videoplayer.cfm?i ... 285a4ac398
Kuullostaa tosi sekavalta, mutta ei kuitenkaan siltä, että olisi shokissa. Miksi käyttäa hätäpuhelussa sitä Babya? Ei ne siellä toisessa päässä tiedä kumpa sukupuoli on kyseessä.
Eikä vieläkään yhtään epäiltyä, tai ainakaan FBI ei anna niitä vielä jakoon.
http://www.wdtv.com/index.php/home/loca ... -girl-case
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Beatrix Kiddo
- Armas Tammelin
- Viestit: 83
- Liittynyt: To Elo 11, 2011 11:05 am
Re: Aliayah Lunsford
Joo. Hannaaaa olikin maininnut aiemmin, että oli löytänyt tietoa Aliayahia vanhemmasta ja hieman nuoremmasta sisaruksesta.. Ja äiti odottaa myös kaksosia. Sori, minun moka, enpäs tuota pikkusisarusta muistanut.katjuska.84 kirjoitti:Eikös perheessä ollut tätäkin nuorempi lapsi, eli kyseessä ei kuopus ollut? Vai muistanko nyt aivan väärin?
Äiti kuulostaa ensimmäisessä puhelussa aika hätääntyneelle, mutta kuitenkin ymmärtää kysymykset ja vastaa selkeästi. Toisessa puhelussa äiti alkaa olla hätääntyneempi. Olen samaa mieltä kuin Hannaaaa, ettei äiti tunnu olevan shokissa, paniikissa kylläkin.
Re: Aliayah Lunsford
Aliayahin isäpuolen Ralphin kaksi naispuolista sukulaista katosi vuonna 1999. Katoaminen tapahtui alueella, jossa tämä Ralphi työnskentelee, Stonewall Resort State Park.
Stonewall Jackson Lake, 26 miles long with 82 miles of shoreline, is comprised of secluded coves and private fingers, affording the boater or fisherman access to unmatched fishing and days of exploration. Little Sorrel, the resort’s 100-passenger excursion boat, provides regular lake tours. Smaller watercraft are available for rent and are the perfect way to enjoy the beautiful lake and surrounding landscape.
Tonne alueelle saa yhden jos toisenkin ruumiin hävitettyä.
Linkissä tarkempaa tietoa naisten katoamisesta.
http://www.examiner.com/conservative-in ... inia-women
Stonewall Jackson Lake, 26 miles long with 82 miles of shoreline, is comprised of secluded coves and private fingers, affording the boater or fisherman access to unmatched fishing and days of exploration. Little Sorrel, the resort’s 100-passenger excursion boat, provides regular lake tours. Smaller watercraft are available for rent and are the perfect way to enjoy the beautiful lake and surrounding landscape.
Tonne alueelle saa yhden jos toisenkin ruumiin hävitettyä.
Linkissä tarkempaa tietoa naisten katoamisesta.
http://www.examiner.com/conservative-in ... inia-women
Re: Aliayah Lunsford
Ralph ei ole palannut töihin, sitten 24. syyskuuta. Työnantaja tekee yhteistyötä viranomaisten kanssa,tutkimuksissa.
Kuva 1999 kadonneista naisista, Ralphin sukulaisista.
http://humbleopinionforum.net/2011/10/0 ... ing-woman/
Kuva 1999 kadonneista naisista, Ralphin sukulaisista.
http://humbleopinionforum.net/2011/10/0 ... ing-woman/
Re: Aliayah Lunsford
Tytöstä saatiin vihdoin uusia kuvia. Eipä nämäkään mitään kamalan selviä ole 
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Re: Aliayah Lunsford
Petition: Aliayahs Law
Background (Preamble):
A report by the advocacy group Every Child Matters recently revealed that up to 5 children die every day in the United States from abuse or neglect. Three quarters of the victims were three years of age or less.
Well-documented research suggests the number of children who die from abuse and neglect is considerably higher than official government statistics. Heres how the federal government defines maltreatment deaths:
Fatal child abuse may involve repeated abuse over a period of time (e.g., battered child syndrome), or it may involve a single, impulsive incident (e.g., drowning, suffocating, or shaking a baby). In cases of fatal neglect, the childs death results not from anything the caregiver does, but from a caregivers failure to act. The neglect may be chronic (e.g., extended malnourishment) or acute (e.g., an infant who drowns after being left unsupervised in the bathtub).
According to the National Center on Child Abuse and Neglect, an average of 152 sexual offenses against American children are recorded daily.
The current judicial system does not adequately reflect the serious nature of these crimes. The death of a child through abuse or neglect is often punished with a prison sentence ranging from only 1-15 years, most of which are automatically halved with parole. This needs to change now.
WE PETITION THE STATE OF WEST VIRGINIA TO:
1. Increase the maximum sentence in cases where the victim is 16 years of age or less to a discretionary life sentence.
2. Disallow a defendant to plea bargain to a charge of Involuntary Manslaughter or less if the victim is less than 16 years of age or less.
3. Review sentencing guidelines for ALL crimes relating to child abuse, increasing both minimum and maximum sentences.
4. Introduce a law concerning fatal abuse without fatal injury where death as a result of complications from failure to seek medical attention; illness in a child whose immune system is impaired by the stress of chronic abuse or neglect; or abuse or neglect of a child already impaired by chronic illness, is labeled murder.
5. Ensure that sentences for child abuse run consecutively.
6. Abolish parole for all crimes against children.
7. Life sentences should mean LIFE.
8. Close the legal loophole which allows abusers to escape jail when the child survives, by blaming each other for the abuse.
9. Increase the penalties for failure to report suspected abuse by mandatory reporters to the level of a felony.
10. Increase the timeliness of mandatory reports to DHHR on suspected child abuse cases to 24 hours.
11. Make mandatory by law enforcement the reporting of any missing child, within 6 hours of the child being reported missing, to local media and social media sites.
12. Create county social media pages in which county commissioners can communicate with the general public and report any missing children with description, time of disappearance, rallying point for volunteers, etc.
As noted in the federal Department of Health and Human Services report Child Abuse and Neglect Fatalities: Statistics and Interventions, these children are the most vulnerable for many reasons, including their dependency, small size, and inability to defend themselves. Further, 70\% of the fatalities involved a parent as perpetrator. And often the abuser is a poor young adult without a high school diploma depressed [who] has experienced violence first hand.
In light of the recent tragedy concerning the disappearance of Aliayah Lunsford within Lewis county, West Virginia, we call for urgent improvements to child protection within the state to include:
1. As the majority of child abuse cases include children 5 years of age or younger, we call for the introduction of regular compulsory health checks, at least four times a year for ages 0-2 and three times a year for ages 2-5. These checks would help to reveal any signs of abuse or neglect. Department of Health and Human Resources(DHHR) and Child Protective Services(CPS) should be alerted if appointments become overdue.
2. DHHR/CPS case workers & health care professionals should be allowed to physically examine young 'at risk' children. A child on the 'at risk' register means that child is considered to be at risk of significant harm. Examinations should therefore be compulsory at every visit of an at risk child or when any new child is brought to the attention of the authorities where there are reported concerns of abuse as this is the easiest, quickest & most effective way to determine if a child is being physically abused or not.
3. DHHR/CPS Case Workers should carry out a task list at every visit which should be adopted statewide and include:
- check the cleanliness/hygiene of all living quarters
- check for evidence of undisclosed people living at the property & Criminal Record Check all residents
- check there is sufficient food and other essential supplies
- physically interact with the child
- physically examine the child
- ensure they see the child unrestrained & moving, crawling or walking to assess any difficulty with movement & possible injury
- see children old enough to speak on their own in the presence of another professional, so that the child can talk uninhibited away from its caregivers
- check for signs of drug use or alcohol abuse as these are often linked to cases of child abuse & neglect
- observe family's interaction with pets as abusive behavior may be indicative of domestic violence
- check for any other dangers
4. If the DHHR/CPS case worker strongly suspects physical abuse, they should have the power to remove the child immediately while the matter is investigated, with law enforcement assistance.
5. Social workers must be aware of 'red flags' that could be cause for concern and should check on the child without delay every time one is raised as the child may have already sustained injury or be in poor physical condition. These should include:
- caregivers failing to attend any appointments
- being denied access to a child or its residence
- caregivers regularly appear not to be at home or who say a child is unavailable (confirm child's whereabouts immediately)
- caregivers saying that they can't see anyone for a period of time
6. Up to 80\% of Social Workers' time is spent on administration. Free up this time to be spent with vulnerable children instead with adequate admin support. Also, main focus needs to be protecting vulnerable children - not meeting targets, budgets or red tape.
7. Increase funding of DHHR to add additional social workers in CPS, update computer systems and create a statewide database in which children and families at risk can be followed, even when the family moves across county lines.
8. An urgent review of the criteria required to have a child taken into care.
9. Introduction of the whistleblowers' hotline for the use of all child protection agencies and the public to expose internal bad practices. Better protection for whistleblowers and a ban on gagging orders in such circumstances as they only serve to hush up bad practices and allow them to continue unchecked.
10. to recruit and retain adequate numbers of high quality, well trained Social Workers & Health Visitors within DHHR.
11. If abusive pet owners can be banned from keeping animals, a similar law should be in place to protect children from abusive caregivers or caregivers who allow a child to be abused or neglected. Abusers should forfeit all visitation & parental rights. Why should children have less rights to protection than animals?
12. A child's welfare must always take priority over keeping a family together.
We petition:
Since Aliayah Lunsfords disappearance, it has been revealed that up to 5 children die every day in the United States from abuse or neglect and that child abuse is far more common than anyone could have imagined.
In light of the tragic and avoidable disappearance of Aliayah Lunsford, we urge the State of West Virginia to implement urgent improvements to child protection statewide to include the above recommendations, and to review the sentencing guidelines for all child abuse related crimes, with a view to ensuring justice for the innocents who are failed in life, and then also failed in death by the injustice of our current legal system, and for those children fortunate to survive, only to be further ill-treated by the injustice of West Virginian legislation:
Sincerely,
http://www.petitiononline.com/Aliayah/petition.html
Background (Preamble):
A report by the advocacy group Every Child Matters recently revealed that up to 5 children die every day in the United States from abuse or neglect. Three quarters of the victims were three years of age or less.
Well-documented research suggests the number of children who die from abuse and neglect is considerably higher than official government statistics. Heres how the federal government defines maltreatment deaths:
Fatal child abuse may involve repeated abuse over a period of time (e.g., battered child syndrome), or it may involve a single, impulsive incident (e.g., drowning, suffocating, or shaking a baby). In cases of fatal neglect, the childs death results not from anything the caregiver does, but from a caregivers failure to act. The neglect may be chronic (e.g., extended malnourishment) or acute (e.g., an infant who drowns after being left unsupervised in the bathtub).
According to the National Center on Child Abuse and Neglect, an average of 152 sexual offenses against American children are recorded daily.
The current judicial system does not adequately reflect the serious nature of these crimes. The death of a child through abuse or neglect is often punished with a prison sentence ranging from only 1-15 years, most of which are automatically halved with parole. This needs to change now.
WE PETITION THE STATE OF WEST VIRGINIA TO:
1. Increase the maximum sentence in cases where the victim is 16 years of age or less to a discretionary life sentence.
2. Disallow a defendant to plea bargain to a charge of Involuntary Manslaughter or less if the victim is less than 16 years of age or less.
3. Review sentencing guidelines for ALL crimes relating to child abuse, increasing both minimum and maximum sentences.
4. Introduce a law concerning fatal abuse without fatal injury where death as a result of complications from failure to seek medical attention; illness in a child whose immune system is impaired by the stress of chronic abuse or neglect; or abuse or neglect of a child already impaired by chronic illness, is labeled murder.
5. Ensure that sentences for child abuse run consecutively.
6. Abolish parole for all crimes against children.
7. Life sentences should mean LIFE.
8. Close the legal loophole which allows abusers to escape jail when the child survives, by blaming each other for the abuse.
9. Increase the penalties for failure to report suspected abuse by mandatory reporters to the level of a felony.
10. Increase the timeliness of mandatory reports to DHHR on suspected child abuse cases to 24 hours.
11. Make mandatory by law enforcement the reporting of any missing child, within 6 hours of the child being reported missing, to local media and social media sites.
12. Create county social media pages in which county commissioners can communicate with the general public and report any missing children with description, time of disappearance, rallying point for volunteers, etc.
As noted in the federal Department of Health and Human Services report Child Abuse and Neglect Fatalities: Statistics and Interventions, these children are the most vulnerable for many reasons, including their dependency, small size, and inability to defend themselves. Further, 70\% of the fatalities involved a parent as perpetrator. And often the abuser is a poor young adult without a high school diploma depressed [who] has experienced violence first hand.
In light of the recent tragedy concerning the disappearance of Aliayah Lunsford within Lewis county, West Virginia, we call for urgent improvements to child protection within the state to include:
1. As the majority of child abuse cases include children 5 years of age or younger, we call for the introduction of regular compulsory health checks, at least four times a year for ages 0-2 and three times a year for ages 2-5. These checks would help to reveal any signs of abuse or neglect. Department of Health and Human Resources(DHHR) and Child Protective Services(CPS) should be alerted if appointments become overdue.
2. DHHR/CPS case workers & health care professionals should be allowed to physically examine young 'at risk' children. A child on the 'at risk' register means that child is considered to be at risk of significant harm. Examinations should therefore be compulsory at every visit of an at risk child or when any new child is brought to the attention of the authorities where there are reported concerns of abuse as this is the easiest, quickest & most effective way to determine if a child is being physically abused or not.
3. DHHR/CPS Case Workers should carry out a task list at every visit which should be adopted statewide and include:
- check the cleanliness/hygiene of all living quarters
- check for evidence of undisclosed people living at the property & Criminal Record Check all residents
- check there is sufficient food and other essential supplies
- physically interact with the child
- physically examine the child
- ensure they see the child unrestrained & moving, crawling or walking to assess any difficulty with movement & possible injury
- see children old enough to speak on their own in the presence of another professional, so that the child can talk uninhibited away from its caregivers
- check for signs of drug use or alcohol abuse as these are often linked to cases of child abuse & neglect
- observe family's interaction with pets as abusive behavior may be indicative of domestic violence
- check for any other dangers
4. If the DHHR/CPS case worker strongly suspects physical abuse, they should have the power to remove the child immediately while the matter is investigated, with law enforcement assistance.
5. Social workers must be aware of 'red flags' that could be cause for concern and should check on the child without delay every time one is raised as the child may have already sustained injury or be in poor physical condition. These should include:
- caregivers failing to attend any appointments
- being denied access to a child or its residence
- caregivers regularly appear not to be at home or who say a child is unavailable (confirm child's whereabouts immediately)
- caregivers saying that they can't see anyone for a period of time
6. Up to 80\% of Social Workers' time is spent on administration. Free up this time to be spent with vulnerable children instead with adequate admin support. Also, main focus needs to be protecting vulnerable children - not meeting targets, budgets or red tape.
7. Increase funding of DHHR to add additional social workers in CPS, update computer systems and create a statewide database in which children and families at risk can be followed, even when the family moves across county lines.
8. An urgent review of the criteria required to have a child taken into care.
9. Introduction of the whistleblowers' hotline for the use of all child protection agencies and the public to expose internal bad practices. Better protection for whistleblowers and a ban on gagging orders in such circumstances as they only serve to hush up bad practices and allow them to continue unchecked.
10. to recruit and retain adequate numbers of high quality, well trained Social Workers & Health Visitors within DHHR.
11. If abusive pet owners can be banned from keeping animals, a similar law should be in place to protect children from abusive caregivers or caregivers who allow a child to be abused or neglected. Abusers should forfeit all visitation & parental rights. Why should children have less rights to protection than animals?
12. A child's welfare must always take priority over keeping a family together.
We petition:
Since Aliayah Lunsfords disappearance, it has been revealed that up to 5 children die every day in the United States from abuse or neglect and that child abuse is far more common than anyone could have imagined.
In light of the tragic and avoidable disappearance of Aliayah Lunsford, we urge the State of West Virginia to implement urgent improvements to child protection statewide to include the above recommendations, and to review the sentencing guidelines for all child abuse related crimes, with a view to ensuring justice for the innocents who are failed in life, and then also failed in death by the injustice of our current legal system, and for those children fortunate to survive, only to be further ill-treated by the injustice of West Virginian legislation:
Sincerely,
http://www.petitiononline.com/Aliayah/petition.html
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kettulainen
- Hetty Wainthropp
- Viestit: 456
- Liittynyt: Su Elo 07, 2011 3:00 pm
Re: Aliayah Lunsford
Ensimmäinen ajatukseni tästä on kutakuinkin tällainen (siis ilman syvempaa analyysia) näiden tietojen perusteella:
Ralph mahdollisesti tehnyt lapselle jotain. Äidillä tästä mahdollisesti jokin aavistus/epäily. Selittäisi sen, miksi lähtenyt heti autolla ja ilmeisesti hieman kaummas ajelemaan. Arvaisi siis, ettei tyttö varmaan ole itse häipännyt.
Mutta jos alkaa enemmän tonkimaan niin aika sanattomaksi vetää. Kuten miljoona kertaa todettu, kyllä ne täysin vieraan tekemät lapsenkidnappaukset edelleen suht harvinaisia ovat. Toki niitä tapahtuu, varsinkin jossain jenkeissä, mutta mutta. Jos lapsi olisi itsekseen lähtenyt harhailemaan, uskoisi löytyvän läheltä. Tuon ikäinen jonkin matkaa varmaan menisi yksin kunnes iskisi paniikki missä koti on.
Onko lapsi lähempänä 3 vai 5 ikävuotta, jos neljä on? Jos lähempänä viittä, niin silloin lapsi on kyllä jo kehityksessä jo melko kyvykäs esim avaamaan ovia, seikkailemaan lähimaastossa, kiipeilemään, ylittämään teitä jne.
Ralph mahdollisesti tehnyt lapselle jotain. Äidillä tästä mahdollisesti jokin aavistus/epäily. Selittäisi sen, miksi lähtenyt heti autolla ja ilmeisesti hieman kaummas ajelemaan. Arvaisi siis, ettei tyttö varmaan ole itse häipännyt.
Mutta jos alkaa enemmän tonkimaan niin aika sanattomaksi vetää. Kuten miljoona kertaa todettu, kyllä ne täysin vieraan tekemät lapsenkidnappaukset edelleen suht harvinaisia ovat. Toki niitä tapahtuu, varsinkin jossain jenkeissä, mutta mutta. Jos lapsi olisi itsekseen lähtenyt harhailemaan, uskoisi löytyvän läheltä. Tuon ikäinen jonkin matkaa varmaan menisi yksin kunnes iskisi paniikki missä koti on.
Onko lapsi lähempänä 3 vai 5 ikävuotta, jos neljä on? Jos lähempänä viittä, niin silloin lapsi on kyllä jo kehityksessä jo melko kyvykäs esim avaamaan ovia, seikkailemaan lähimaastossa, kiipeilemään, ylittämään teitä jne.
Re: Aliayah Lunsford
Alla Lena Lunsfordin lausunto.
Ihmetyttää, miksi äiti avaa suunsa vasta 46 päivän jälkeen.
Onko hän vihdoinkin EHKÄ tajunnut, että pakko kait se jotain on kertoa, mutta ei liikaa(?)
...ja ilmiselvästi salailee tapahtumista jotain.
Uskon vakaasti siihen, että äiti on lapsen katoamisen takana ja lapsi ei ole elossa.
Äiti yrittää saada sukulaisia ilmeisesti hunoon valoon(?)
Ihmetyttää, miksi äiti avaa suunsa vasta 46 päivän jälkeen.
Onko hän vihdoinkin EHKÄ tajunnut, että pakko kait se jotain on kertoa, mutta ei liikaa(?)
...ja ilmiselvästi salailee tapahtumista jotain.
Uskon vakaasti siihen, että äiti on lapsen katoamisen takana ja lapsi ei ole elossa.
Äiti yrittää saada sukulaisia ilmeisesti hunoon valoon(?)
Mitä sitte?
...Tuskin on itse aiheutettu mustelma. 
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katjuska.84
- Sabrina Duncan
- Viestit: 373
- Liittynyt: Pe Touko 21, 2010 8:38 am
- Paikkakunta: Etelä-Suomi
Re: Aliayah Lunsford
Kyllähän noista kuvista tulee mieleen että minkälaistakohan kohtelua on lapsi saanut kotoa.
Mutta toisaalta, lapset (ainakin vilkkaat) tuppaavat aika usein mustelmilla olemaan.
Minullakin on omastani useita kuvia, joissa mustelmia, naarmuja, etc ja vissiin jokaisessa tarhakuvassakin on jokin vekki naamassa.
Mutta toisaalta, lapset (ainakin vilkkaat) tuppaavat aika usein mustelmilla olemaan.
Minullakin on omastani useita kuvia, joissa mustelmia, naarmuja, etc ja vissiin jokaisessa tarhakuvassakin on jokin vekki naamassa.
Entäpä jos elämä onkin vain unta matkalla kuolemaan?
Re: Aliayah Lunsford
3-vuotiaalla joka kuvassa naama mustelmilla ja etuhampaat puuttuvat? Eiköhän kerro tyttöparan tuskaisesta elämästä. Tutkisivat äitiä ja perhettä vaan.
Re: Aliayah Lunsford
- West Virginia State Police tracked her and her husband Ralph Lunsford to the parking lot of a store called Hot Stuff Cool Things in Clarksburg Nov. 1. Ralph told Kilgore he had just purchased "Sextary," a version of the synthetic drug "bath salts" for $52. Lena told Kilgore on Oct. 20 she did not know what bath salts were. She also told him she had not been to a "head shop" in "several months."
http://www.wboy.com/story/16069988/2011 ... a-lunsford
Eli, Tyttö on mahdollisesti löytänyt Isän huume kätkön, maistellut sitä ja kuollut?
Isä tai äiti on löytänyt tytön kuolleena, ja piilottanut ruumiin jonnekkin.
http://www.wboy.com/story/16069988/2011 ... a-lunsford
Eli, Tyttö on mahdollisesti löytänyt Isän huume kätkön, maistellut sitä ja kuollut?
Isä tai äiti on löytänyt tytön kuolleena, ja piilottanut ruumiin jonnekkin.
Mitä sitte?