Israel, 7.10.2023 tapahtumat, Gaza, Hamas, Hizbollah, Palestiina, raketti-iskut

[El Mencho]

Tuossahan tuo mutta pitää olla tili, jotta voi lukea loppuun asti.

Nicholas Kristof

The Silence That Meets the Rape of Palestinians
Male and female Palestinians describe brutal sexual abuse at the hands of Israel’s prison guards, soldiers, settlers and interrogators.
https://www.nytimes.com/2026/05/11/opin ... lence.html

Tämä pitää tänään avata kaikelle kansalle.

[El Mencho]

Tuossa olkaa hyvä.

The Silence That Meets the Rape of Palestinians
Male and female Palestinians describe brutal sexual abuse at the hands of Israel’s prison guards, soldiers, settlers and interrogator

It’s a simple proposition: Whatever our views of the Middle East conflict, we should be able to unite in condemning rape.

Supporters of Israel made that point after the brutal sexual assaults against Israeli women during the Hamas-led attack on Israel on Oct. 7, 2023. Donald Trump, Joe Biden, Benjamin Netanyahu and many U.S. senators, including Marco Rubio, condemned that sexual violence, and Netanyahu rightly called on “all civilized leaders” to “speak up.”

And yet in wrenching interviews, Palestinians have recounted to me a pattern of widespread Israeli sexual violence against men, women and even children — by soldiers, settlers, interrogators in the Shin Bet internal security agency and, above all, prison guards.

There is no evidence that Israeli leaders order rapes. But in recent years they have built a security apparatus where sexual violence has become, as a United Nations report put it last year, one of Israel’s “standard operating procedures” and “a major element in the ill treatment of Palestinians.” A report out last month, from the Euro-Med Human Rights Monitor, a Geneva-based advocacy group often critical of Israel, concludes that Israel employs “systematic sexual violence” that is “widely practiced as part of an organized state policy.”

What does this standard operating procedure look like? Sami al-Sai, 46, a freelance journalist, says that as he was being taken to a prison cell after his detention in 2024, a group of guards threw him to the ground.

“They were all hitting me, and one stepped on my head and neck,” he said. “Someone pulled my pants down. They pulled down my boxers.” And then one of the guards pulled out a rubber baton used to beat prisoners.

“They were trying to force it into my rectum, and I was bracing myself to prevent it, but I couldn’t,” he said, speaking with increasing anxiety. “It was so painful.” The guards were laughing at him, he said. “Then I heard someone say, ‘Give me the carrots,’” he recalled, adding that they then used a carrot. “It was extremely painful,” he said. “I was praying for death.”

Al-Sai was blindfolded, he said, and heard someone say in Hebrew, which he understands, “Don’t take photos.” That suggested to him that someone had pulled out a camera. One of the guards was a woman who, he said, grabbed him by the penis and testicles and joked, “These are mine,” and then squeezed until he screamed from pain.

The guards left him handcuffed on the ground, and he smelled cigarette smoke. “I realized it was their smoking break,” he said.

After he was dumped into his cell, he concluded that the spot where he had been raped had been used before, for he found other people’s vomit, blood and broken teeth crushed into his skin.

Al-Sai said that he had been asked to become an informant for Israeli intelligence, and he believes that the purpose of his arrest and imprisonment under the administrative detention system was to pressure him to agree. Because he prided himself on his journalistic professionalism, he said, he refused.

I’ve had a career covering war, genocide and atrocities, including rape, sometimes in places where the scale of sexual violence is far greater than anything committed by either Hamas militants or Israeli guards or settlers. In the Tigray conflict in Ethiopia a few years ago, 100,000 women may have been raped. Mass rape is now unfolding in Sudan.

Yet our American tax dollars subsidize the Israeli security establishment, so this is sexual violence in which the United States is complicit.

I became interested in reporting on sexual assaults against Palestinian prisoners after Issa Amro, a nonviolent activist sometimes called the Palestinian Gandhi, told me when I previously visited that he had been sexually assaulted by Israeli soldiers and that he believed this was common but underreported because of shame.

By one count, Israel has detained 20,000 people in the West Bank alone since the Oct. 7 attacks, and more than 9,000 Palestinians were still being held as of this month. Many have not been charged but were detained under ill-defined security grounds, and since 2023, most have been denied visits from the Red Cross and lawyers.

“Israeli forces systematically employ rape and sexual torture to humiliate Palestinian female detainees,” the Euro-Med report said. It cited a 42-year-old woman who said she had been shackled naked to a metal table as Israeli soldiers forcibly had sex with her over two days while other soldiers filmed the attacks. Afterward, she said, she was shown photos of her being raped and told they would be published if she did not cooperate with Israeli intelligence.

It’s impossible to know how common sexual assaults against Palestinians are. My reporting for this article is based on conversations with 14 men and women who said they had been sexually assaulted by Israeli settlers or members of the security forces. I also spoke to family members, investigators, officials and others.

I found these victims by asking around among lawyers, human rights groups, aid workers and ordinary Palestinians themselves. In many cases it was possible to corroborate the victims’ stories in part by talking to witnesses or, more commonly, to those whom the victims had confided in, such as family members, lawyers and social workers; in other cases it was not possible, perhaps because shame left people reluctant to acknowledge abuse even to loved ones.

Save the Children commissioned a survey last year of children ages 12 to 17 who had been in Israeli detention; more than half reported witnessing or experiencing sexual violence. Save the Children said that the true figure was probably higher because stigma left some unwilling to acknowledge what had happened to them.

The Committee to Protect Journalists, a respected American organization, surveyed 59 Palestinian journalists who had been released by Israeli authorities after the Oct. 7 attacks. Three percent said they had been raped, and 29 percent said they had endured other forms of sexual violence.

Israel’s Ministry of National Security declined to comment for this article. The prison service “categorically rejects the allegations” of sexual abuse, said a spokesman who declined to be named, adding that complaints are “examined by the competent authorities.” The spokesman declined to say whether any prison staff member had ever been fired or prosecuted for sexual assaults.

The Palestinians I interviewed recounted various kinds of abuse beyond rape. Many reported that they often had their genitals yanked or were beaten on the testicles. Hand-held metal detectors were used to probe between men’s naked legs and then smashed into their private parts; some men had to have their testicles amputated by doctors after beatings, according to the Euro-Med monitor.

One reason these abuses don’t receive more attention is threats by Israeli authorities, who periodically warn prisoners on release to keep quiet, according to Palestinians who have been freed. Another reason, Palestinian survivors told me, is that Arab society discourages discussing the topic for fear of hurting the morale of prisoners’ families and undermining the Palestinian narrative of defiant and heroic detainees.

Conservative social norms also inhibit discussion: Two victims told me that a prisoner who acknowledges being raped would harm the ability of his sisters and daughters to find husbands.

One farmer initially agreed to let me use his name in this article. Released early this year after months in administrative detention — with no charges filed — he related what he said happened one day last year: A half-dozen guards immobilized him by holding his arms and legs while pulling down his pants and underwear and inserting a metal baton into his anus. The rapists were laughing and cheering, he said.

Several hours later, he said, he fainted and was taken to the prison clinic. After he woke up, he said, he was raped once more, again with the metal baton.

“I was bleeding,” he recalled. “I broke down completely. I was crying.”

After being returned to his cell, he said, he asked a guard for pen and paper to write a complaint about the assaults. The request was denied. And that evening, a group of guards came to the cell.

“Who is the one who wants to file a complaint?” one guard jeered, he said, and another guard pointed him out. “The beating started immediately,” he recalled. And then they raped him with the baton for a third time that day, he said.

He recalled one saying, “Now you have even more to put in your complaint.”

A few days after I interviewed him, the farmer called to say that he didn’t want his name used after all. He had just been visited by Shin Bet and warned not to cause trouble, and he also feared that his family would react badly to the attention.

“Rampant sexual abuse of Palestinian prisoners is a thing; it’s been normalized,” said Sari Bashi, an Israeli American human rights lawyer who is the executive director of the Public Committee Against Torture in Israel. “I don’t see evidence that it has been ordered. But there’s persistent evidence that the authorities know it’s happening and are not stopping it.”

Another Israeli lawyer, Ben Marmarelli, told me that based on the experiences of the Palestinian detainees he has represented, rape of Palestinian prisoners with objects “is going on across the board.”

Bashi said her organization has filed hundreds of complaints detailing horrific abuse against Palestinian detainees — and not in a single case did these lead to charges filed. Impunity, she said, creates a “green light” for abusers.

One Palestinian prisoner from Gaza reportedly was hospitalized in July 2024 with a tear in his rectum, cracked ribs and a punctured lung. Investigators obtained a prison video purportedly showing the abuse. The authorities detained nine reservist soldiers — but Israel’s right-wingers erupted in outrage, with a mob of furious protesters, including politicians, breaking into the prison to show support for the guards. The last charges against the soldiers were dropped in March, and last month the military approved the soldiers’ return to duty.

Netanyahu hailed the dropping of charges as the end of a “blood libel.” “The State of Israel must hunt down its enemies — not its heroic fighters,” he said.

Bashi described the outcome this way: “I would say that dropping the charges — that’s giving permission to rape.”

That prisoner, who afterward reportedly required a stoma bag to collect his waste, was returned to Gaza, and an acquaintance of his said that he spent months in a hospital recovering from his internal injuries. The acquaintance said that the former prisoner declined to be interviewed.

Prosecutions and public attention can curb such violence. In 1997, police officers in New York City raped a Haitian immigrant, Abner Louima, with a stick so brutally that he required hospitalization and surgeries. New Yorkers were outraged, Mayor Rudy Giuliani visited Louima in the hospital, and police officers were prosecuted in a landmark case. That sent a powerful message throughout the police force: Those who assault detainees may be punished. And that’s the message that must be sent throughout the Israeli security forces.

If the Trump administration insisted on a resumption of Red Cross visits to prisoners, if the U.S. ambassador visited rape survivors with cameras in tow, if we conditioned arms transfers on an end to sexual assault, we could send a moral and practical message that sexual violence is unacceptable, no matter the identity of the victim. For starters, the ambassador could ensure that those Palestinians who dared to speak for this article are not brutalized again for their courage.

How does this kind of violence happen? Decades of covering conflict have taught me that a combination of dehumanization and impunity can propel people into a Hobbesian state of nature. I’ve encountered this drift toward savagery in killing fields from Congo to Sudan to Myanmar, and I think it also roughly explains how American soldiers came to sexually abuse prisoners at Abu Ghraib in Iraq.

The blunt reality is that when there are no consequences, we humans are capable of immense depravity toward those we are taught to scorn as subhuman.

Itamar Ben-Gvir, Israel’s national security minister, called detainees “scum” and “Nazis” and boasted of making prison conditions harsher for Palestinians. When such attitudes prevail, sexual abuse can become one more tool to inflict pain and humiliation on Palestinians.

Ben-Gvir declined, through a spokeswoman, to comment on sexual assaults by security services.

B’Tselem, an Israeli human rights organization, documented “a grave pattern of sexual violence” toward Palestinians. It cited the account of a Gaza prisoner, Tamer Qarmut, who said he had been raped with a stick. Torture, B’Tselem said, “has become an accepted norm.”

A former Israeli officer in a prison infirmary described in testimony to the Israeli group Breaking the Silence what that kind of acceptance means in practice: “You see normal, pretty ordinary people reaching a point where they abuse people for their own amusement, not even for an interrogation or anything. For fun, to have something to tell the guys or revenge.”

Most of the rape and other sexual violence has been directed at men, if only because Palestinian prisoners are more than 90 percent male. But I spoke to one Palestinian woman who was arrested at the age of 23 after the Hamas attack in October 2023. She said that the soldiers who arrested her threatened to rape her, her mother and her young niece. Her prison ordeal began with a strip-search conducted by female guards, “but then a male soldier came in, when I was completely naked,” she added.

For the next few days, she said, she was repeatedly stripped naked, beaten and searched by teams of male and female guards alike. The pattern was always the same: Several guards, men and women together, would come to her cell, forcibly strip her naked, handcuff her hands behind her back and bend her forward at the waist, sometimes forcing her head into the toilet. In this position, she would be beaten and groped all over, she said.

“They had their hands all over my body,” she said. “To be honest, I don’t know if they raped me,” she said, because she sometimes lost consciousness from the beatings.

The aim of the abuse was twofold, she thinks: to crush her spirit and also to let Israeli men molest a naked Palestinian woman with impunity.

“I’d be stripped and beaten several times a day,” she said. “It was as if they were introducing me to everyone who worked there. At the beginning of each shift, they would bring the guys to strip me.”

When she was about to be released from prison, she said, she was called into a room with six officials and given a stern warning never to give interviews.

“They threatened that if I spoke up, they would rape me, kill me and kill my father,” she said. Not surprisingly, she declined to be named in this article.

Some of the worst sexual abuse appears to have been directed at prisoners from Gaza. A Gaza journalist shared with me his account of the abuse he suffered after he was detained in 2024.

“No one escaped sexual assaults,” he said. “Not all were raped, I would say, but everyone went through humiliating, filthy sexual assaults.” On one occasion, he said, the guards zip-tied his testicles and penis for hours while beating his genitals. For days afterward, he said, he urinated blood.

On one occasion, he said, he was held down and stripped naked, and as he was blindfolded and handcuffed, a dog was summoned. With encouragement from a handler in Hebrew, he said, the dog mounted him.

“They were using cameras to take photos, and I heard their laughs and giggles,” he said. He tried to dislodge the dog, he said, but it penetrated him.

Other Palestinian prisoners and human rights monitors have also cited reports of police dogs being coached to rape prisoners. The journalist said that when he was released, an Israeli official warned him: “If you want to stay alive when you return, do not speak to the media.”

So why was he willing to speak?

“There are moments when remembering feels unbearable,” he said. “My heart felt it might stop while talking to you about it just now. But I remember there are people still in there. So I speak up.”

Multiple accounts indicate that sexual violence has been directed even at Palestinian children, who are typically imprisoned for throwing stones. I located and interviewed three boys who had been detained, and all described being sexually abused.

One, a shy boy in a Hilfiger shirt who was 15 years old at the time of his arrest, declined to say whether he had also witnessed actual rapes. But he said threats were routine: “They’d say, ‘Do this, or we’ll put this stick up your butt.’”

The other boys told very similar stories of sexual violence as part of beatings and noted that the threats of rape were directed not only at them but also at their mothers and siblings.

Israeli settlers are not an official arm of the state in the same way that the prison system is, but the Israel Defense Forces increasingly protect settlers as they attack Palestinian villagers and use sexual violence to drive Palestinians to flee. “Sexualized violence is used to pressure communities” to leave their land, according to a new report by the West Bank Protection Consortium, a coalition of international aid groups led by the Norwegian Refugee Council.

The consortium surveyed Palestinian farmers and found that more than 70 percent of households that had been displaced reported that threats to women and children, particularly of sexual violence, were the decisive reason for leaving. “Sexual violence,” said Allegra Pacheco of the coalition, “is one of the mechanisms driving people from their land.”

In a remote Jordan Valley hamlet of Bedouin farmers, I met a 29-year-old farmer, Suhaib Abualkebash, who recounted how a gang of about 20 settlers rampaged through the homes of his family, beating adults and children alike and stealing jewelry and 400 sheep — and also cut off his clothes with a hunting knife and then tightly zip-tied his penis and yanked.

“I was afraid they would cut off my penis,” Abualkebash told me. “I thought this was the end for me.”

Some may wonder whether Palestinians fabricated accusations of sexual assaults to defame Israel. To me that seems far-fetched because none of those I interviewed sought me out or knew who else I was speaking to and they were reluctant to speak. Yet there is some evidence that Israel’s sexual abuse has become so frequent that norms are changing and Palestinian victims are becoming a bit more willing to speak out.

“For six months I couldn’t speak about it, even to my family,” said Mohammad Matar, a Palestinian official who told me that settlers stripped him, beat him and poked him with a stick in the buttocks while talking about raping him. During the attack, the assailants posted a photograph on social media of him blindfolded and stripped to his underpants.

With time, Matar decided to speak out to try to break the stigma. He now keeps a blown-up print of the settlers’ photo of him on the wall of his office.

To try to make sense of what I found, I called up Ehud Olmert, who was prime minister from 2006 to 2009. Olmert told me he didn’t know much about sexual violence against Palestinians but was not surprised by the accounts I had heard.

“Do I believe it happens?” he asked. “Definitely.”

“There are war crimes committed every day in the territories,” he added.

So we return to the point I noted at the beginning of this column: Supporters of Israel were right in 2023 that whatever our views about the Middle East, we should be able to repudiate rape.

“Where the hell are you?” Netanyahu asked the international community then, demanding that it condemn sexual violence committed by what the Israeli government has called the “Hamas rapist regime.”

Hamas has indeed brutally violated human rights. Israeli officials should look to their own violations as well — in particular at what a 49-page United Nations report last year called Israel’s “systematically” subjecting Palestinians to “sexualized torture” committed with at least “an implicit encouragement by the top civilian and military leadership.”

Think of it this way: The horrific abuse inflicted on Israeli women on Oct. 7 now happens to Palestinians day after day. It persists because of silence, indifference and the failure of American and Israeli officials alike to answer Netanyahu’s query: Where the hell are you?
https://www.nytimes.com/2026/05/11/opin ... lence.html

[kiinnostunut5]

sitähän venäläiset ja israel itse yrittää pyyhkiä ukrainalaiset ja varsinkin palestiinalaiset maan päältä.israel just nyt tälläkin hetkellä suorittaa kansanmurhaa.

Russakat ja Israel on kaukana toisistaan mutta mielestäsi paras ratkaisu olisi tappaa kaikki?

Vaikka välillä tolta voi tuntuakin ni en tietenkään kannata kansanmurhaa edes noiden kohdalla.

Ymmärrän, itsestänikin tuntuu välillä samalta russakoiden suhteen mutta eihän se mikään ratkaisu ole. Tiedon lisääminen ennemminkin kohdemaissa.

[El Mencho]

Samanlaisia kumpikin osapuoli. Tämä on vastaus New York Timesin juttuun, josta ei kirjoitettu täällä mitään.

Raportti: Hamas raiskasi järjestelmällisesti – ”Maksimoidakseen tuskan ja kärsimyksen”
https://www.iltalehti.fi/ulkomaat/a/99c ... 7a99356cf5

[kiinnostunut5]

Samanlaisia kumpikin osapuoli. Tämä on vastaus New York Timesin juttuun, josta ei kirjoitettu täällä mitään.

Raportti: Hamas raiskasi järjestelmällisesti – ”Maksimoidakseen tuskan ja kärsimyksen”
https://www.iltalehti.fi/ulkomaat/a/99c ... 7a99356cf5

Joo hamas itse kuvasi ja itse jakoi videot teoistaan niin niistä ei ole epäselvyyttä onko median tai jonkun pienen piirin keksimää vai ei. Itse en kyllä nykytiedoillani rinnasta Israelia terroristijärjestöön.

[El Mencho]

Samanlaisia kumpikin osapuoli. Tämä on vastaus New York Timesin juttuun, josta ei kirjoitettu täällä mitään.

Raportti: Hamas raiskasi järjestelmällisesti – ”Maksimoidakseen tuskan ja kärsimyksen”
https://www.iltalehti.fi/ulkomaat/a/99c ... 7a99356cf5

Joo hamas itse kuvasi ja itse jakoi videot teoistaan niin niistä ei ole epäselvyyttä onko median tai jonkun pienen piirin keksimää vai ei. Itse en kyllä nykytiedoillani rinnasta Israelia terroristijärjestöön.

Juu ei siellä on ihan normimeininki Netanyahu rahoitti Hamasia jne.

[kiinnostunut5]

Samanlaisia kumpikin osapuoli. Tämä on vastaus New York Timesin juttuun, josta ei kirjoitettu täällä mitään.

Joo hamas itse kuvasi ja itse jakoi videot teoistaan niin niistä ei ole epäselvyyttä onko median tai jonkun pienen piirin keksimää vai ei. Itse en kyllä nykytiedoillani rinnasta Israelia terroristijärjestöön.

Juu ei siellä on ihan normimeininki Netanyahu rahoitti Hamasia jne.

Onko tuosta jotain todisteita vai pelkkää foliohattuilua? Eikös se Netanyahu ole jo kuollut sinun mukaasi aikaa sitten?

Edit. Torakat itänaapuristahan yrittävät tuota soppaa hämmentää parhaansa mukaan mutta se on vaan itänaapurin paras, siitä näkee läpi terveillä omilla aivoilla kaikki meistä. Jopa pari sivua taaksepäin tälläkin sivustolla erästä lapiota on koijattu luulemaan venäjän juoppopataljoonaa Israelin armeijaksi useampaan kertaan.

[El Mencho]

Onko tuosta jotain todisteita vai pelkkää foliohattuilua? Eikös se Netanyahu ole jo kuollut sinun mukaasi aikaa sitten?

Kyllä on todisteita, eikä varmasti ole enää tämän jälkeen sama/oikea Netanyahu puikoissa. On foliohattuilua kuvitella Israelin olevan jollakin tavalla hyvä tai rehellinen. Milli päivässä.

[kiinnostunut5]

Onko tuosta jotain todisteita vai pelkkää foliohattuilua? Eikös se Netanyahu ole jo kuollut sinun mukaasi aikaa sitten?

Kyllä on todisteita, eikä varmasti ole enää tämän jälkeen sama/oikea Netanyahu puikoissa. On foliohattuilua kuvitella Israelin olevan jollakin tavalla hyvä tai rehellinen. Milli päivässä.

Eli maaliskuun lopulla kuoli mielestäsi?

Edit. Vilkaisin tuota mjtruthultra tiliä ja se ei kyllä vakuuttanut, noitahan on 13 tusinassa joka aatteelle.? Etusivullaan onnitteli minua etten ole ottanut covid rokotteita mutta ihan eri syistä kuin jätin sen ottamatta...

[El Mencho]

Edit. Vilkaisin tuota mjtruthultra tiliä ja se ei kyllä vakuuttanut, noitahan on 13 tusinassa joka aatteelle.?

Ei sillä ole mitään merkitystä vaan videolla, jossa Netanyahu puhuu omista rikoksistaan. Tuo on loppuun kulunut tapa yrittää vesittää esillä oleva tieto. Minä taas vilkaisin raiskauksia, joissa käytetään koiria kuten Israelilla on tapana käyttää palestiinalaisia kohtaan. Molemmat osapuolet ovat päästään pahasti vialla.
Ihmiset ovat käsittämättömän julmia.

Yes, Dogs Have Been Used To Rape People

A morbid debate springs up after a groundbreaking New York Times piece on the Middle East. Sadly, it's not hard to settle.

On Monday, The New York Times published a groundbreaking piece in its Opinion section by famed foreign affairs columnist Nick Kristof.

Kristof spent months investigating claims of sexual assault and rape of Palestinians by Israeli soldiers and settlers. He relied on countless testimonies in addition to work done by Israeli human rights organizations that have painstakingly documented the use of sexual violence by Israelis against Palestinians.
https://www.theamericansaga.com/p/yes-d ... ape-people

[kiinnostunut5]

Edit. Vilkaisin tuota mjtruthultra tiliä ja se ei kyllä vakuuttanut, noitahan on 13 tusinassa joka aatteelle.?

Ei sillä ole mitään merkitystä vaan videolla, jossa Netanyahu puhuu omista rikoksistaan. Tuo on loppuun kulunut tapa yrittää vesittää esillä oleva tieto. Minä taas vilkaisin raiskauksia, joissa käytetään koiria kuten Israelilla on tapana käyttää palestiinalaisia kohtaan. Molemmat osapuolet ovat päästään pahasti vialla.
Ihmiset ovat käsittämättömän julmia.

Yes, Dogs Have Been Used To Rape People

A morbid debate springs up after a groundbreaking New York Times piece on the Middle East. Sadly, it's not hard to settle.

On Monday, The New York Times published a groundbreaking piece in its Opinion section by famed foreign affairs columnist Nick Kristof.

Kristof spent months investigating claims of sexual assault and rape of Palestinians by Israeli soldiers and settlers. He relied on countless testimonies in addition to work done by Israeli human rights organizations that have painstakingly documented the use of sexual violence by Israelis against Palestinians.
https://www.theamericansaga.com/p/yes-d ... ape-people

Minua kiinnostaa myös videoiden julkaisija koska tännekkin palstalle on äxän, xitterin kuinka kukakin tykkää, kautta koitettu työntää täyttä shittiä harva se päivä ja sinne voi kuka tahansa julkaista melkolailla mitä tahtoo. Se on totta että ihminen on julma, rusakat ja hamas esimerkiksi ovat ihan itse julkaisseet lukemattomat määrät videoita joissa tekevät käsittämätöntä pahuutta kanssaihmisilleen. Koiraraiskauksia en vielä näillä näytöillä niele, se kun on linkkiesi perusteella ammattilaistenkin mielestä ylipäätään lähes mahdotonta.

Puhumattakaan siitä että Netanyahu olisi rahoittanut Israelia rankasti vähätellen sanottuna vastustavaa terroristiryhmää ja kuollut maaliskuussa. Tässä päästään siihen että tykkään tutkiskella lähteitä ja niiden perusteella teen päätökseni mihin väitteisiin uskon ja mihin en. Ja mitä väitteitä jaksan ylipäätään tutkia enemmän.

[damfin]

Onko tuosta jotain todisteita vai pelkkää foliohattuilua? Eikös se Netanyahu ole jo kuollut sinun mukaasi aikaa sitten?

Kyllä on todisteita, eikä varmasti ole enää tämän jälkeen sama/oikea Netanyahu puikoissa. On foliohattuilua kuvitella Israelin olevan jollakin tavalla hyvä tai rehellinen. Milli päivässä.

Se on ihan totta että Israel ja Netanyahu jossain vaiheessa tukivat rahallisesti Hamasia, nämä foliohattuilijat vaan jättävät kertomatta ne tiedossa olevat syyt tuolle tuelle koska niiden syiden kertominen saisi Israelin näyttämään hyvikseltä eikä pahikselta.

Eli, Israel antoi rahallista ja humanitaarista tukea Hamasille niin että asuinolot Gazassa pysyisivät parempina ja sillä tavalla voitaisiin rauhoittaa Gazaa ja hillitä PA:n (Palestinian Authority) Israeliin kohdistamaa vihamielisyyttä, toki takana oli myös ajatus heikentää PA:n valtaa koska tuossa vaiheessa Israel vielä uskoi että Hamas olisi pienempi paha kuin tuo PA.

Lopputulos kuitenkin oli se että Hamas käytti suuren osan humanitaariseen tukeen tarkoitetusta rahoituksesta sotilaallista kykyään kehittääkseen, ja lopulta riittävästi rahoitusta ja valtaa saatuaan kääntyi Israelia vastaan ja iski verisesti suoraan Israeliin 2023 joka sitten johti välien katkeamiseen ja Israelin päätökseen tuhota Hamas kustannuksista ja uhreista välittämättä koska tukivat että kaikesta tuesta huolimatta Gaza ja palestiinalaiset osoittautuivat viholliseksi jota rauhanomaisin keinoin ei saada rauhoitettua.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_support_for_Hamas

[kiinnostunut5]

Onko tuosta jotain todisteita vai pelkkää foliohattuilua? Eikös se Netanyahu ole jo kuollut sinun mukaasi aikaa sitten?

Kyllä on todisteita, eikä varmasti ole enää tämän jälkeen sama/oikea Netanyahu puikoissa. On foliohattuilua kuvitella Israelin olevan jollakin tavalla hyvä tai rehellinen. Milli päivässä.

Se on ihan totta että Israel ja Netanyahu jossain vaiheessa tukivat rahallisesti Hamasia, nämä foliohattuilijat vaan jättävät kertomatta ne tiedossa olevat syyt tuolle tuelle koska niiden syiden kertominen saisi Israelin näyttämään hyvikseltä eikä pahikselta.

Eli, Israel antoi rahallista ja humanitaarista tukea Hamasille niin että asuinolot Gazassa pysyisivät parempina ja sillä tavalla voitaisiin rauhoittaa Gazaa ja hillitä PA:n (Palestinian Authority) Israeliin kohdistamaa vihamielisyyttä, toki takana oli myös ajatus heikentää PA:n valtaa koska tuossa vaiheessa Israel vielä uskoi että Hamas olisi pienempi paha kuin tuo PA.

Lopputulos kuitenkin oli se että Hamas käytti suuren osan humanitaariseen tukeen tarkoitetusta rahoituksesta sotilaallista kykyään kehittääkseen, ja lopulta riittävästi rahoitusta ja valtaa saatuaan kääntyi Israelia vastaan ja iski verisesti suoraan Israeliin 2023 joka sitten johti välien katkeamiseen ja Israelin päätökseen tuhota Hamas kustannuksista ja uhreista välittämättä koska tukivat että kaikesta tuesta huolimatta Gaza ja palestiinalaiset osoittautuivat viholliseksi jota rauhanomaisin keinoin ei saada rauhoitettua.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_support_for_Hamas

Kiitos. Tämä selvitti paljon enemmän tilannetta kuin vaahtoaminen salaliitoista, Netanyahun kuoleman peittelystä ja väite siitä että sama nyt jo mukamas kuollut jannu rahoittaa terroristiryhmää joka järjestelmällisesti raiskasi Israelilaisia siviilejä. Siellä päin maailmaa kun on uskomaton sekametelisoppa kaunaa kaikkien puolesta kaikkia kohtaan.

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Se on ihan totta että Israel ja Netanyahu jossain vaiheessa tukivat rahallisesti Hamasia, nämä foliohattuilijat vaan jättävät kertomatta ne tiedossa olevat syyt tuolle tuelle koska niiden syiden kertominen saisi Israelin näyttämään hyvikseltä eikä pahikselta.

Eli, Israel antoi rahallista ja humanitaarista tukea Hamasille niin että asuinolot Gazassa pysyisivät parempina ja sillä tavalla voitaisiin rauhoittaa Gazaa ja hillitä PA:n (Palestinian Authority) Israeliin kohdistamaa vihamielisyyttä, toki takana oli myös ajatus heikentää PA:n valtaa koska tuossa vaiheessa Israel vielä uskoi että Hamas olisi pienempi paha kuin tuo PA.

Lopputulos kuitenkin oli se että Hamas käytti suuren osan humanitaariseen tukeen tarkoitetusta rahoituksesta sotilaallista kykyään kehittääkseen, ja lopulta riittävästi rahoitusta ja valtaa saatuaan kääntyi Israelia vastaan ja iski verisesti suoraan Israeliin 2023 joka sitten johti välien katkeamiseen ja Israelin päätökseen tuhota Hamas kustannuksista ja uhreista välittämättä koska tukivat että kaikesta tuesta huolimatta Gaza ja palestiinalaiset osoittautuivat viholliseksi jota rauhanomaisin keinoin ei saada rauhoitettua.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_support_for_Hamas

Kiitos. Tämä selvitti paljon enemmän tilannetta kuin vaahtoaminen salaliitoista, Netanyahun kuoleman peittelystä ja väite siitä että sama nyt jo mukamas kuollut jannu rahoittaa terroristiryhmää joka järjestelmällisesti raiskasi Israelilaisia siviilejä. Siellä päin maailmaa kun on uskomaton sekametelisoppa kaunaa kaikkien puolesta kaikkia kohtaan.

Minä ainakin juuri tuonkin perusteella ymmärrän täysin Israelin iskujen laajuuden ja vihan Hamasia kohtaan, vaikka seurauksena onkin Gazan siviilien kärsimys.
Vuosikausia Israel yritti pehmeää ja rauhallista lähestymistapaa, myönsi suuret määrät humanitaarista tukea Gazan alueen siviili-infran kehittämiseen ja asukkaiden tukemiseen, myönsi Gazan työläisille työviisumeja niin että he pääsivät käymään töissä Israelin puolella, ja seurauksena oli sitten se että Hamas kääri avustusrahat omiin sotilaallisiin tarkoituksiinsa ja Israelin puolella töissä kävijät salakuljettivat rahaa ja muuta tavaraa Hamasille, ja Gazan siviilit katsoivat sivusta ja antoivat kaiken tuon tapahtua nousematta Hamasia vastaan.
Siihen sitten päälle tuo silmittömän raaka ja julma hyökkäys israelilaisten siviilien, naisten, lasten ja vanhuksien kimppuun 2023, ja palestiinalaiset Gazassa hurrasivat ja juhlivat iskuun osallistuneita suurina sankareina.

Eipä tuossa Israelilla juuri muuta mahdollisuutta ole kuin tuhota Hamas tukijoineen viimeiseen mieheen, ja naiseen, kunnes on varma että viesti on mennyt perille ja jäljelle jääneet ymmärtävät että rauha on parempi vaihtoehto kuin jatkuva terrorismi.

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Edit. Vilkaisin tuota mjtruthultra tiliä ja se ei kyllä vakuuttanut, noitahan on 13 tusinassa joka aatteelle.?

Ei sillä ole mitään merkitystä vaan videolla, jossa Netanyahu puhuu omista rikoksistaan. Tuo on loppuun kulunut tapa yrittää vesittää esillä oleva tieto. Minä taas vilkaisin raiskauksia, joissa käytetään koiria kuten Israelilla on tapana käyttää palestiinalaisia kohtaan. Molemmat osapuolet ovat päästään pahasti vialla.
Ihmiset ovat käsittämättömän julmia.

Näin. Eikö ne Netanjahu videot ollut tekoälyllä tehtyjä, koska hän on kuollut? Miksi niitä sen puhumia pitäisi uskoa? Mutta joo, joku jo hyvin avasi tuon "Hamasin rahoittamisen". Lyön vaikka vetoa että herra Mencho ei ole perehtynyt taustoihin, on vaan löytänyt huikean luotettavan X-tilin..